The term "economy" is used constantly in news stories or opinion pieces about Michigan, its trials and tribulations, its budding recovery.
But John Austin would like to get us all thinking about the "blue economy," the one that is based on the Great Lakes and water-related industry.
John is the director of the Michigan Economic Center, which is affiliated with the Prima Civitas Foundation, and he joined us in the studio today.
Listen to the full interview above.